tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6092202804301639769.post876482354202771408..comments2023-08-25T03:19:21.216-06:00Comments on Stæfcræft & Vyākaraṇa: Philology and (La)Tex: on Proto-Indo-European dragon-slaying and Hittite ḫbe_slayedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02920742528327860445noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6092202804301639769.post-50116378182036003512011-02-15T05:07:30.687-07:002011-02-15T05:07:30.687-07:00@be_slayed:
Thank you, worked like a charm.@be_slayed:<br />Thank you, worked like a charm.Pål Magnushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04801226102008212865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6092202804301639769.post-53070136364817336382011-02-14T09:44:57.399-07:002011-02-14T09:44:57.399-07:00@Pål:
The following should work
Define in preamb...@Pål:<br /><br />The following should work<br /><br />Define in preamble:<br />\newcommand{\hitH}{\tipaLoweraccent[+.1ex]{\u{}}{H}}<br /><br />And then use \hitH in the document for the capital version (H with breve beneath).be_slayedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02920742528327860445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6092202804301639769.post-3249368065555166232011-02-14T09:13:48.032-07:002011-02-14T09:13:48.032-07:00Thanks for showing me a way to typeset the h with ...Thanks for showing me a way to typeset the h with breve below, but how do I make it a capital?Pål Magnushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04801226102008212865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6092202804301639769.post-33791861306986483692011-01-25T03:56:15.159-07:002011-01-25T03:56:15.159-07:00Cheers, good to know. LuaTeX looks like the happen...Cheers, good to know. LuaTeX looks like the happening thing (and honestly the idea is just so sensible... use TeX for what it's good at, and something else better for what it's not).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6092202804301639769.post-89898505828377399472011-01-11T09:02:26.705-07:002011-01-11T09:02:26.705-07:00@Tikitu: Just to update: Luatex supports Unicode d...@Tikitu: Just to update: Luatex supports Unicode directly, and the plan is that pdflatex will merge/become Luatex: http://www.luatex.org/be_slayedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02920742528327860445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6092202804301639769.post-14325658467673931582010-09-21T19:15:51.212-06:002010-09-21T19:15:51.212-06:00I'm afraid I can't say. Once I went to Xe...I'm afraid I can't say. Once I went to XeTeX, I abandoned the cbgreek fonts for things like Gentium and the many fine faces from the Greek Font Society.Wmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10894049524583247454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6092202804301639769.post-1883014515894184702010-09-21T09:15:05.992-06:002010-09-21T09:15:05.992-06:00Thanks, Wm. Good to know that XeTeX works for poly...Thanks, Wm. Good to know that XeTeX works for polytonic Greek as well. Can one use the cbgreek fonts with it though?be_slayedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02920742528327860445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6092202804301639769.post-21429816111842083102010-09-20T18:15:39.512-06:002010-09-20T18:15:39.512-06:00I'm a bit late to this party, but let me say t...I'm a bit late to this party, but let me say that XeTeX works just dandy for polytonic Greek. Everything I've done for http://www.aoidoi.org/ in the last few years is done in XeTeX. With some metrical symbols: <a href="http://www.aoidoi.org/poets/loipa/indelectatus.pdf" rel="nofollow">Delectus Indelectatus</a> (PDF).Wmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10894049524583247454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6092202804301639769.post-88475810536495306912010-09-20T09:12:59.188-06:002010-09-20T09:12:59.188-06:00@Mattitiahu: I was thinking the same thing about H...@Mattitiahu: I was thinking the same thing about Hittite.<br /><br />@Language: My Sanskrit teacher gave us a week to learn devanagari. For whatever reason, I didn't find it too bad and it's been very useful to know it (especially since I work on Hindi & Nepali too, which use the same script). But I've never successfully learned an Indian script since then. Bengali script, which of course derives from the same root as devanagari, has characters similar to devanagari, but unfortunately the similar characters often have different (phonetic) values---so actually knowing devanagari almost makes it worse. And I'm still trying to get a firm grasp on Sinhala script.<br /><br />Even as an Indo-Europeanist, sometimes devanagari would be useful. Some important books on Sanskrit (like Speijer's <i>Sanskrit syntax</i>) use untransliterated (and often untranslated) devanagari.be_slayedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02920742528327860445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6092202804301639769.post-2877939607974806942010-09-20T08:41:56.530-06:002010-09-20T08:41:56.530-06:00When I studied Sanskrit, I absolutely hated devana...When I studied Sanskrit, I absolutely hated devanagari -- I used transliteration every chance I got, and never did really learn it well. This pissed off my Sanskrit teacher (who was a jerk anyway), but it's perfectly natural for an Indo-Europeanist, who has no interest in reading Kalidasa but simply wants to know the forms. As cool as various scripts are, transliteration is the only sensible way to go; I'd even be willing to use transliterated Greek, though it would feel weird.Languagehathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13285708503881129380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6092202804301639769.post-19819598759050691172010-09-19T11:36:16.002-06:002010-09-19T11:36:16.002-06:00I think I mean moreso that it would be time-consum...I think I mean moreso that it would be time-consuming and expensive, and I'd imagine fewer typesetters would have devanagari faces. I open admit I'm speculating with no concrete facts. Still, I agree in general that it's unfair to the other languages that everything gets transliterated in IE-istik except for Greek. I mean, I want to see more typeset Gothic. Gothic has such a *cool* alphabet...<br /><br />On the other hand now that we have cuneiform unicode fonts, I wouldn't want to have to be yanking the sign-list off the shelf every time I read an article on Hittite. Mηδὲν ἄγαν, I suppose.Mattitiahuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17190475034700450411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6092202804301639769.post-57929699485500192772010-09-19T09:29:32.125-06:002010-09-19T09:29:32.125-06:00@Mattitiahu: On #2 - I suppose it would have been ...@Mattitiahu: On #2 - I suppose it would have been difficult for 19th-c. typesetters to set devanagari, but then again 19th-c. typesetters actually seem to have done a lot of rather difficult typesetting. Some of the 19th-c. books at least have typeset devanagari (like Speijer's <i>Sanskrit syntax</i>). And Greek must be harder to typeset than Roman too, yet Greek is rarely transliterated. Greek I think has/had a long history in European academia which resulted in Greek letters being entrenched.be_slayedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02920742528327860445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6092202804301639769.post-105939576864942452010-09-19T08:42:40.080-06:002010-09-19T08:42:40.080-06:00#1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, for sharing a...#1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, for sharing a way to set /ḫ/. My inability to do it with TIPA has been bothering me for awhile.<br /><br />#2: I imagine historically it was probably just a complete pain in the ass for European typesetters in the 19th century to set combined devanagari in mundane academic publications, and the tradition of transliteration just stuck... Still, no excuse not to write in devanagari on the blackboard during a presentation.Mattitiahuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17190475034700450411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6092202804301639769.post-86852238797377437462010-09-18T13:37:56.145-06:002010-09-18T13:37:56.145-06:00@Tikitu: There is some package which silently tran...@Tikitu: There is some package which silently translates TIPA into Unicode characters (I think it's a preprocessor or the like). But so far I haven't really needed anything other than TIPA characters so there hasn't really been any need for me to use XeTeX. But I am interested in using Unicode input for Devanagari & Sinhala script at some point in time (though I haven't really needed to use it, for reasons mentioned in John Cowan's linked essay).<br /><br />@John: Thanks for the link. It's an interesting article. The nice thing with *not* relying on Unicode is that new characters can be created as needed.<br /><br />I think the typical linguist's equivalent of ArXiv is <a href="http://ling.auf.net/lingbuzz/" rel="nofollow">lingbuzz</a>; but I think in theory I'm not supposed to do either. However, since the <i>SLS</i> "working paper" version is almost exactly the same article (except with a prettier table), I don't think I really need to worry about it anyway. Link to the SLS version is here: <a href="http://hdl.handle.net/2142/13178" rel="nofollow">http://hdl.handle.net/2142/13178</a>be_slayedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02920742528327860445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6092202804301639769.post-44199509699010935582010-09-17T09:12:46.518-06:002010-09-17T09:12:46.518-06:00Sounds fascinating. Are you allowed to host prepr...Sounds fascinating. Are you allowed to host preprints, or can you send them to the ArXiv?<br /><br />See also Nick Nicholas's essay <a href="http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/unicode/unicode_epichorica.html" rel="nofollow">Don't Proliferate; Transliterate!</a>John Cowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11452247999156925669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6092202804301639769.post-68165576738452110632010-09-17T08:09:12.987-06:002010-09-17T08:09:12.987-06:00Fair enough; most of the benefits of straight unic...Fair enough; most of the benefits of straight unicode input disappear if you can't type the characters you need!<br /><br />The whole area of font handling (including input encodings) seems to be a development hotspot at the moment, it's probably worth checking back every two or three years to see if things have improved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6092202804301639769.post-64554576323570773872010-09-16T13:17:41.621-06:002010-09-16T13:17:41.621-06:00I know about Xe(La)Tex, but I prefer macros to inp...I know about Xe(La)Tex, but I prefer macros to inputting unicode directly (I hate having to search for symbols). Also, the last time I tried XeTex, I couldn't get it to work properly. I also don't know how well it works for polytonic Greek.<br /><br />I read somewhere (though I don't remember where) that Unicode support is going to be integrated into LaTeX itself (or pdflatex anyway) at some point in time.<br /><br />I'll have to play around with XeTeX again sometime though.be_slayedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02920742528327860445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6092202804301639769.post-76241471217358828632010-09-16T13:06:29.267-06:002010-09-16T13:06:29.267-06:00Things are moving in the TeX font world: these day...Things are moving in the TeX font world: these days XeTeX lets you write directly in unicode and the (XeTeX-only) fontspec package gives you easy access to system fonts. I've only used it for modern Greek so I can't say if it's mature enough for your more complex needs, but perhaps worth a look? (I have a <a href="http://www.logophile.org/blog/2010/04/28/some-notes-on-fonts/" rel="nofollow">blog post</a> with some related notes and source links.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com